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adem0x
Joined: 24 Apr 2010
Posts: 17 Location: Desk |
Posted: 13 Oct 2010 06:06
This is probably answered somewhere but I couldn't find it.
Here's my quip: OK, so --it seems-- I can bookmark a folder/directory. This is great. But.. 1) How do I go that bookmarked folder again? I can't find any 'Bookmarks' menu anywhere. 2) How can I (re)name that bookmark? I mean, say I want it display 'My Home' instead of (say) '/home/me' |
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prikryl
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Joined: 10 Dec 2002
Posts: 16448 Location: Prague, Czech republic |
Posted: 13 Oct 2010
adem0x wrote: 1) How do I go that bookmarked folder again? http://winscp.net/eng/docs/task_navigate#bookmarks Quote: 2) How can I (re)name that bookmark? Bookmarks cannot have a name. Though location profiles can. _________________ Martin Prikryl |
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adem0x
Joined: 24 Apr 2010
Posts: 17 Location: Desk |
Posted: 14 Oct 2010 05:19
Thank you.
From user's point of view, I think it would be much better if we had a top-level (main) menu item called 'Bookmarks' and under it two hard-wired submenus: 'Local' and 'Remote'. And, since every other app out there let's us give a name to bookmarks, I think you should also consider 'nameable' bookmarks. |
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adem0x
Joined: 24 Apr 2010
Posts: 17 Location: Desk |
Posted: 14 Oct 2010 05:28
One more thing, if I may:
Could you add something like 'Bookmark This' to the context menu; or better still change the name of 'Open Directory/Bookmark' to 'Bookmark This'. Actually, when I sit back and think about it, it seems we need a 'Manage Bookmarks' functionality (submenu) as well as 'Bookmark This'. |
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prikryl
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Posts: 16448 Location: Prague, Czech republic |
Posted: 17 Oct 2010
adem0x wrote: From user's point of view, I think it would be much better if we had a top-level (main) menu item called 'Bookmarks' and under it two hard-wired submenus: 'Local' and 'Remote'.
And, since every other app out there let's us give a name to bookmarks, I think you should also consider 'nameable' bookmarks. Will consider this. |
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prikryl
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Posts: 16448 Location: Prague, Czech republic |
Posted: 17 Oct 2010
adem0x wrote: Could you add something like 'Bookmark This' to the context menu; or better still change the name of 'Open Directory/Bookmark' to 'Bookmark This'. This request has been added to tracker. |
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prikryl
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Posts: 16448 Location: Prague, Czech republic |
Posted: 17 Oct 2010
adem0x wrote: From user's point of view, I think it would be much better if we had a top-level (main) menu item called 'Bookmarks' and under it two hard-wired submenus: 'Local' and 'Remote' Btw, are you aware that this would involve more clicks than the current approach? |
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adem0x
Joined: 24 Apr 2010
Posts: 17 Location: Desk |
Posted: 17 Oct 2010 14:14
prikryl wrote: Btw, are you aware that this would involve more clicks than the current approach? Yes, I am aware of that. But, that comes about because WinSCP 'explore's both the local and remote machines, as a result of which there has to be 2 different categories of 'Bookmarks' (local/remote) in order to eliminate any potential ambiguities. |
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adem0x
Joined: 24 Apr 2010
Posts: 17 Location: Desk |
Posted: 19 Oct 2010 18:40
One more thing:
ATM, this is what I am having to do: A) When using the context menu 1 - Left click 2 - Select 'Open Directory/Bookmark' 3 - Do some mental processing and guesswork since some paths are longer that what's displayed in the listbox, I have to select each candidate to see what exactly they are. 4 - Click OK or press Enter. B) When using the main menu I don't know how to access the 'Open Directory/Bookmark' functionality. C) When using the main menu 1 - Press Ctrl+O 2 - Opens 'Location Profiles'. For 'Bookmarks' you need to click the 'Bookmarks' button. OK, I know this is nit picking a bit, but we're talking about user interfaces. 3 - Do some mental processing and guesswork since some paths are longer that what's displayed in the listbox, I have to select each candidate to see what exactly they are. 4 - Click OK or press Enter. All in all, it is the 'step 4' that is the most expensive: Displaying (truncated) paths and not their user-given aliases make life harder for user. Having said all that, don't get me wrong: I am more than grateful for your efforts with WinSCP. I can, of course, live without Bookmarks in WinSCP. |
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prikryl
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Joined: 10 Dec 2002
Posts: 16448 Location: Prague, Czech republic |
Posted: 20 Oct 2010
I'm bit confused by the your post, so I may not answer all the issues raised, but will try:
1) Are you aware of the "open directory/bookmark" icon on the toolbar? 2) The functionality in the main menu can be found under "Local / Remote > Go To > ..." 3) The size of bookmarks dialog should be expanded with long path. Though it never exceeds 700 pixel. I may raise this limit if it is not enough. 4) Clicking "Bookmarks": Expectation here is that you either use bookmarks or location profiles, not both. So WinSCP remembers what mode did you use the last time and when running "open directory/bookmark" command it opens the respective dialog. So in general you do need to do this "step". 5) Again: You can give a custom name to the location profile! |
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adem0x
Joined: 24 Apr 2010
Posts: 17 Location: Desk |
Posted: 20 Oct 2010 14:01
prikryl wrote: I'm bit confused by the your post, so I may not answer all the issues raised, but will try: Sorry about that. I kind of guessed my last 2 posts were confusing because they didn't seem to arrive at a clear conclusion/suggestion. But, I noticed that after I wrote them and didn't want to confuse things even more with a 3rd post.. Quote: 1) Are you aware of the "open directory/bookmark" icon on the toolbar? Actually, I wasn't. The icon is 'open directory' icon; didn't think it would be related to bookmarks/shortcuts. Now that I know what it does, it sort of answers my "I don't know how to access the 'Open Directory/Bookmark' functionality". But, that's about it --IOW, other issues still stand. prikryl wrote: 2) The functionality in the main menu can be found under "Local / Remote > Go To > ..." Again, 'Go To' is an inconsistency; IMO, it should have been called 'Open Directory/Bookmark'. Quote: 3) The size of bookmarks dialog should be expanded with long path. Though it never exceeds 700 pixel. I may raise this limit if it is not enough. How ever wide you may make that dialog, there will always be a need for a wider one. This is basically due to the fact that you have no control on the length of path strings. And, unfortunately, the most interesting part of a path string is the last part (the actual directory the user wishes to go); and if the user cannot see that last part, s/he will have to either horizontal scroll or do some guess work. IOW, widening the dialog or adding a horizontal scrollbar to the listbox, IMHO, is user-friendly enough or long-term solution. To me the most optimum solution (wrt user-friendliness) is to look a how browsers handle bookmarks in menus: -- Let the user give a name (alias) to the path and display this a (sub)menu caption. -- When a user moves the mouse over the (sub)menu caption, display the actual path on the status bar. Quote: 4) Clicking "Bookmarks": Expectation here is that you either use bookmarks or location profiles, not both. So WinSCP remembers what mode did you use the last time and when running "open directory/bookmark" command it opens the respective dialog. So in general you do need to do this "step". Actually, IMO, 'location profiles' (bookmark pairing) is also confusing and doesn't need a separate dialog. All of it could be handled with one bookmark dialog. Here is what I would suggest. Suppose you have a bookmark dialog with these fields: -- Alias. (The name the user wishes to refer to this bookmark. Textbox. The user sees this as sub menus to the propsed Bookmarks menu.) -- Remote path. (A memo) -- Local path. (A memo) -- Explanation (A memo. Useful if the user wishes to store some personal information about this alias.) This dialog comes up when the user issues a 'Bookmark this' command and s/he has only to fill the 'alias' field. Now, if 'Remote path' and 'Local path' are present, it is then a 'paired bookmark'; otherwise local or remote only. An menu item icon hinting at whether this bookmark is paired/local/remote would of course be nice. Quote: 5) Again: You can give a custom name to the location profile! That may be so, but it still is a little too convoluted I think. First, I don't see a need for 'location profiles' if it only means 'paired bookmarks'. Secondly, in my 'location profiles' dialog I see entries I know that aren't 'paired'; so it kind of defeats the 'paired bookmarks' logic. Thirdly, it isn't very intuitive as to what will happen if I rename an entry: Will I remove the path information, or will it simply re-alias it? [Having tried it now, I know that it will only re-alias it, but I sill find it too convoluted/unintuitive. User should be given one dialog at the time of creating the bookmark (see above) and there s/he should be able to give that alias.] {BTW, if you feel I am being a pain by appearing to be a back-seat driver, please tell me so. I will stop pestering you about this |
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prikryl
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Joined: 10 Dec 2002
Posts: 16448 Location: Prague, Czech republic |
Posted: 25 Oct 2010
Thanks for your suggestions.
One last comment, note that the location profile may include only one of the paths. _________________ Martin Prikryl |
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